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Gennifer Choldenko
Gennifer Choldenko

THE ALCATRAZ INTERVIEWS

Everybody’s Favorite Guard

George DeVin­cen­zi worked as a guard on the island from 1950–1957.

1.

What was your favorite part of the job?

Work­ing in the cell house hos­pi­tal. It was more inter­est­ing. There were den­tal appoint­ments, med­ical treat­ments, some­times force feed­ing of inmates. The rou­tine was more varied.

2.

What was the scari­est part of your posi­tion as a guard?

Yard duty. You were walk­ing around with hun­dreds of con­victs milling around. Con­victs some­times played base­ball so they had base­ball bats which could be used as a weapon. Fights broke out … like once I was on the yard when Sim­co went after Dog­Man. Any­thing could happen.

3.

Is there any­thing you miss about Alcatraz?

Noth­ing. I don’t miss it.

4.

What sur­prised you most about the job?

When I was on night duty at the cell house I had trou­ble stay­ing awake. One night I fell asleep at the cell house desk. I was awak­ened by crum­pled pieces of paper being thrown at my head. I looked up and saw that a con­vict named Jim­my Groves was try­ing to wake me up. Jim­my was one of the most hat­ed inmates on Alca­traz — a very vicious pris­on­er who always had a smile on his face. I nev­er did fig­ure out why he decid­ed to help me that night.

5.

Did you ever feel as if the con­victs were con­spir­ing against you?

No.

6.

Did it wor­ry you that there were kids liv­ing on the island?

No. They were on the oppo­site end of the island from the con­victs. They were behind fences pro­tect­ed by a guard tower.

7.

Were you a guard before you began work on Alcatraz?

No. I came home from the war along with thou­sands of oth­er young men who were all look­ing for jobs. I took the civ­il ser­vice test think­ing I might get a job in the post office or the cus­toms office. I was pret­ty sur­prised when they called from Alcatraz.

8.

What kind of train­ing did you receive?

I had about four weeks of train­ing: in-ser­vice lec­tures, movies, tests, hand-to-hand com­bat, firearms. After we were trained, our first posi­tions were in more cus­to­di­al guard jobs like in the guard tow­ers or the west end gun gallery. It took a while before we were allowed out with the prisoners.

9.

What was a typ­i­cal day like as a guard on Alcatraz?

Very monot­o­nous! Every­thing was timed down to the minute. It was very rep­e­ti­tious. It drove the guards crazy, just like it did the prisoners.

10.

Was there any guard duty you dreaded?

Up on the yard wall as it was always cold and windy. We had these heavy over­coats that weighed a ton and huge guns. The wind beat at you at all times and they played this cow­boy music over the loud speak­ers that drove me crazy. Plus, it was stress­ful keep­ing my eye on the guards down there with all those prisoners.

11.

Were there pris­on­ers you trusted?

Not real­ly. There were some I felt half way com­fort­able with. Some I held con­ver­sa­tions with; oth­ers would have noth­ing to do with any of the guards. You had to be care­ful though. One day, two FBI men came over on the boat. They went into the warden’s office and when they came out they had two offi­cers in hand­cuffs. It turns out they had got­ten too friend­ly with some of the pris­on­ers and began bring­ing con­tra­band in to them. The two offi­cers both got five years in prison. The thing was once you gave some­thing to a con, you were vul­ner­a­ble because then the con had some­thing on you. The only thing you could do at that point was quit.

12.

Did you play check­ers with the Bird Man of Alcatraz?

Yep. It was usu­al­ly around two or three or four in the morn­ing when I had hos­pi­tal duty. I only did it when I knew and trust­ed the offi­cer in the gun gallery because he could see me from there. I didn’t wor­ry about my boss, because I had the key. He couldn’t come into the hos­pi­tal, unless I let him in.

13.

Who won?

I nev­er recall win­ning a game against the Bird Man.

14.

Why did you leave Alcatraz?

There were always sto­ries going around about how they were going to close Alca­traz. I didn’t know if they were true or not, but I was born and raised in San Fran­cis­co. I didn’t want to have to move to Leav­en­worth, Kansas. I tried to trans­fer to the Cus­toms Depart­ment, but War­den Swope wouldn’t let me go. It was only when he was replaced by War­den Madi­gan that I was allowed to transfer.

Inter­viewed by Gen­nifer Chold­enko in San Fran­cis­co, CA, on Feb­ru­ary 15, 2013